These rounds are quiet even if fired without a suppressor. Tactical. Please bare with me as I want to see if I'm understanding this. Perhaps as the popularity increased as a 300 Blackout powder Hodgdon took notice and did a lot more testing. I have a 16" barrel with a pistol length gas system. They have a military-type boat tail design to really squeeze out the best ballistics from the round. Pattern was tight but down and to the left about 3 inches. And the Blackout makes a bigger hole. It shot the best group with the "middle of the road" powder load of 19.5 grains. by Dr.Phil Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:08 am, Post No part of the landscape, from pop cans to squirrels, was immune to a 10 round burst from a Ruger. Buzz, I gave up on trying to truly see how accurate they were when I was sighting in my scope, I was happy then with 5 shots inside a 2 inch group at 50 yards. This year my NRL Hunter has been with H-1000 and its incredible! The powder load was amount recommended for 300 Black Out, but truthfully this is a terrible combo. One 16 rifle and a 10.5 pistol both are carbine length gas systems. by plant.one Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:47 pm, Post She has a passion to introduce the shooting sports and showcase gun owners and the 2nd Amendment in a positive light. Doh! Possibly excellent for plinking use, but have been unable to get consistent accuracy with it. One of the biggest complaints about the 300 AAC Blackout cartridge is the cost and limited availability of factory ammunition. It makes me interested in a 7.62x40, as the added capacity might let you get up to 53k psi and 2150-2200 fps with a 150 grain bullet from a 16" barrel. He also placed second in the World Elk Calling competition. And in shorter barrel lengths (~8) the 300BLK is far superior for supersonics, at least. Interesting. Good luck! Theres entirely too much tinkering potential. Repeat using freshly Resized Brass. Come join the discussion about optics, modifications, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. In 300 blk I prefer Lil'Gun over H-110 for bullets over 135 grs. The desire to know, when, how, and if he should take these shots along with an unquenched thirst for competition, lead Brian to shoot precision rifle events. With Sig Sauer, you know that the attention to quality and precision can't be beaten. 10 or 12 powder quantities for each type of powder Walker loves waterfowl hunting with his black lab Pow. This is going to be fun. Hornady is one of the top ammunition manufacturers worldwide. I have some 125 grain sst and may try to work up to 22.5 grains with my bolt gun but I wont try with either of my gas guns. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. Aguila hails from Morelos, Mexico. Its more expensive than .223 / 5.56mm and much harder to find. I bought that, a Model 1 Sales chrome BCG & charging handle, and a set of Lee Pacesetter .300 AAC Blackout dies (because they were the only ones I could find in stock) and proceeded on my adventure. Then started the task of measuring out different powder loads with W296 into 5 cases for 5 test loads that I will shoot this week so I can finally get to loading a lot of plinking rounds. Great carbine in a great caliber!! In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. They have developed more cartridges than any other company and enjoy some of the most contested military contracts in the industry. Plus, by buying Hornady you are supporting a great American company. Ive shot a bunch of 168 grain Sierra MatchKings and its a great plinking / target round. Finally cant find 300Ac or afford it. I want to use Hornady 150gr BTSP bullets, but cant find any data to support that. 17.2 might be as hot as I can go with a boat tail. Most ammo tends to work fine, but sometimes you get an ammo and rifle pairing that just don't like each other. Love it or hate it, the 300 AAC Blackout is an interesting and incredibly diverse cartridge. The muzzle velocity for these 110-grain bullets is a snappy 2375 fps and the muzzle energy is 1377 foot-pounds. Aguila is remarkable for the value for money they offer given their excellent reliability. The bottom line? That isnt to say you have to buy a specific type of ammo for everything you want to do with your 300 Blackout rifle. The problem is that the comparisons do not use the same barrel lengths. In that time I have used it for both hunting and competition. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Brian moved back to Idaho, where he completed his bachelors degree in Business Finance at Albertsons College of Idaho. She recently took on the role of Southwest Regional Director for the Precision Rifle Series. grains Primer: Federal Small Rifle Cartridge Overall Length: 2.18 inches Muzzle Velocity: 2,058 fps In supersonic. I see no indications of excess pressure, so I'm thinking about trying another 1/2 grain after I have the barrel melonited. Don't be deceived by the low price, this product made our list for very good reason, the quality is impressive for the price. by plant.one Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:44 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Thanks for reading. These rounds are sure not to disappoint. We have done the research so that you don't have to. When it comes to subsonic performance, the 300 AAC Blackout has no direct competitor. Next post: Bloomberg had this unkind thing to say about Colorado, Previous post: New Study: Concealed-carry rates up, violent crime rates down, Your email address will not be published. These cartridges are designed to perform well in practically any use case including plinking, target shooting, hunting, self-defense, or law enforcement. Join the #1 community for gun owners of the Northwest. The 300 Blackout was originally designed to provide similar performance to the 7.62x39mm Soviet round in an AR-15 with a standard magazine and bolt. Its supposed to offer a .30 caliber alternative with more short barrel terminal performance than the .223 Remington round. Safety first folks! Their best features are their consistency and versatility. Go. He play trumpet in the Junior High Band and I am an honor roll student at St. Pats. I'll have to run this in quick load to check it out. I remember reading to knock of 10% of the max load to start as a starting point in general. I can see the drop, but to the Left ? Not the long skinny profile for magazine feeding reliability. But I also dont see the 300 AAC Blackout as an either / or replacement for .223. 168 grain Sierra MatchKing Lil Gun 14.8 1,799 1.56 . The latter are more suited to long range shooting and hunting. Next Last. I used a Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-5x20mm optic for all accuracy testing. With 300 Blackout, you have options from low subsonic rounds to high-powered long distances ones. A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). Recently I am gravitating to the Clint Smith theory of cartridge, gun and reloading; that is the one caliber, one load, one gun MO in order to simplify inventories, procedures, lower costs and increase fun time. I have a 10.5 barrel on a pistol that I plan to shoot supersonic only (for now) I have a Dillon 550 press with limited experience reloading .223 rounds for my AR. ABOUT WALKER: Walker is 15 years old and has hunted from Africa to Hawaii, and several places in between, including the Yukon in Canada. The 125 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip is a great hunting round and performed very well in numerous loads for accuracy. (AAC developed the 300 blk and got it SAMMI approved) The top features of this ammunition are the affordability and the reliability. Hornady fmj-bt, since they are relatively inexpensive. Thanks! Obviously, the RPK can throw rounds much further, but not as accurate as a 7.6263 bullet. My Red X arms .300 AAC Blackout LOVES Hornady V-Max 110 grain bullets loaded with Lil Gun powder. They are also designed to function perfectly with AR style feeding systems. I would go with 2400 or AA#9 if you look at the load data from accurate.com for 300 blk, Ramshot Enforcer and AA4100 are the exact same powder. Lil Gun is an advanced technology propellant designed for 410-bore shotshell reloaders. Personal accountability rocks! In Brians first full season, he achieved several top ten finishes, two regional match wins, and a 20thplace overall finish in the National Rifle League. 300 Blackout 150 GR HDY IB Hodgdon Trail Boss .308" 2.235" . Ballistically they are similar but the case dimensions are very different and load data cannot be reliably interchanged. Then bullet weight and bullet style will be key factors to consider. I have Lil' Gun and Accurate 1680 on hand, and will start working from the minimum advertised charge and go down in .5 gr increments. For all testing, I used the same rifle this Daniel Defense DDM4v5 300 AAC Blackout equipped with a SilencerCo / SWR Specwar 762 suppressor. The max load on a 300 Whisper load (from what I remember, don't quote me) for 150 grain projectiles is somewhere around 18 grains of H110. These are high-end hunting rounds that are designed to provide 1.8 times their diameter in expansion. A 55 grain .223 Remington load is shown on the far left for scale. I am a reloader and these days I shoot to reload rather than reload to shoot so the development aspect appeals to me to a point. All things considered, this ammo is a great middle-of-the-road option in 300 Blackout specifications. NOTE: YOU ABSOLUTELY UNCONDITIONALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CASE GAGE! The .300 Blackout . On the supersonic side, lets compare bullet drop of a 300 Blackout specific projectile like the Barnes TAC-TX 110 grain bullet to a 55 grain .223 Remington projectile traveling at 3,240 feet per second. by BobinNC Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:42 pm, Post Loaded 13.3 gr 4227 and CCI 400 primers with 245 gr Missouri Bullet FP Hard Lead. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! They come in boxes of 20. The full metal jacketed bullets have a non-steel core (we're guessing that means lead). One important quality of any ammo is that it should be suited to your intended use. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. Related Tags: by tallburnedmidget Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:34 am, Post However, for a 16 inch gun to plink they are more than effective, by that I mean I can shoot my steel silhouette at 100 yards all day long. Proper subsonic is usually 0.92 Mach or 1025.8 fps or lower depending on bullet design, bullet yaw beyond the muzzle and of course, accuracy. For the testing rifle, I used a Daniel Defense DDM4v5 300 AAC Blackout. This ammunition is proudly made in the U.S.A. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Load data for 147gr, Lil Gun, 8" barrel, 300 Blackout. Similar problems have been experienced with 9mm submachine guns. A view into a Dillon Precision XL650 progressive reloading press midway through loading some .300 Blackout with 180-grain Rainier Ballistics FP bullets. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. by dpete Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:57 pm, Post Want supersonic? 150 grain Fun with the 300 blackout. That being said, I don't plan on adding one to the rotation as I neither reload nor do I own a can until they can be had sans stamp. Having no suppresser, a whole lot of Sub sonic miss feeds. Supersonic loads of lil'gun work fine in my 14.5" carbine gas rifle. That opinion being said is there any reason that loading data for the 300 BO can not be used and worked up on the 7.6239? Chad is also the Director of Advertising & Media Relations for CVA Muzzleloaders, PowerBelt Bullets, Bergara USA, DuraSight Rings and Bases, Quake Industries and Konus Optics. This makes it a good option for a standard tactical round to tune your AR around. The best feature is the quality of all the components used. Rifles are not always the best choice for home defense weapons, but that is also largely dependent on the environment, location, and other key factors. Shes also the co-director of her local club, the AZ LRPRS, assisting in facilitating monthly matches throughout the year. I used the Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 1.5-520 scope for all accuracy testing. IMPORTANT: Please view the special notes by clicking here . First I dont know where or who sells 100 grain for Aks all mine are 123 grain and winchester is making a 140 hollow point! I'm ready to start loading up a new round. If there is any company you can rely on for quality, it is Sig Sauer. Several qualities go into a really reliable, great round for this weapon. Here are a few to keep in mind. The shell cases are brass and they come with military-grade boxer primers and propellant. Supposed to help reduce Lead Fouling. Hornady and Nosler loads listed are near maximum so check your manuals. I reviewed this rifle at the beginning of this series you can read about it here. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. Silly rabbits, rifle rounds are for rifles!!! You can get something in the 150 to 168 grain range that will move in the 1,700 to 2,000 feet per second range. As of 2014, Ryan and Dianna have become full time hunters and competitors, focusing most predominately on 3-Gun. Yep, essentially the same ballistics, or very close, depending on barrel length. For the subsonics, I loaded it with 8.5 grains on H Lil' Gun, it too was inaccurate but fun to shoot and cheap! Loaded 13.3 gr 4227 and CCI 400 primers with Berger 210 gr. My Red X arms .300 AAC Blackout LOVES Hornady V-Max 110 grain bullets loaded with Lil' Gun powder. I gave away about 2000 rounds of 300 blackout brass. I purchased a pound of it, but after reading the sticky I might just sell it, and stick with H110. The projectile has a ballistic coefficient of 0.56. Desert Tech SRS A1 with TS Customs 308 win, 22 CM, and 7 LRM barrels. Yea, I got tired of the big $ 30 cal slugs too.. so I bought a Lyman #311334, 190gr spitzer mold back when I was 16. Hodgons website only has the maximum load data with 8.4gr and a COAL of 2.26" for Sierra 220gr HPBT. However, since its development ten years ago, the caliber has been developed and tested for hunting at mid to long-range with outstanding results thanks to its 30 caliber knockdown power. (I.E. Celebrate diversity! All Rights Reserved. Dianna Muller earned a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice/Psychology from University of Central Missouri and retired from the Tulsa Police Department after 22 years of service. If I want to shoot a thirty caliber projo I'll stuff it into a .308 or .30-06. It is a Swiss-German collaboration founded in 1979. Start well above subsonic and work down to 1050 with a chronograph. As you can see, you could spend the rest of your life testing different iterations within this caliber. I shoot the 168 grain .308 out of 30-06 and 308 brass, so I was thinking about using 168 bullet in black out, any thoughts? With a sub load, you need to ensure the bullet is stable before you attach your suppressor and you need to do all velocity up without the suppressor attached. Accurate 1680 seems to the best option for subsonic loads as it creates more gas volume for reliable cycling. I worked from 15.5-17g and had no pressure issues with Lil-Gun. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); You need to correct: 300 AAC Blackout 220 Grain Sierra MatchKing, 2,350 fps to the proper fps of ~1K or so, otherwise it doesnt make subsonic sense. The former are great for tactical situations with a suppressed rifle. I managed to get MOA accuracy, and consistent speeds of 1,050fps with 8.5gr., Winchester brass, Remington 7 primers,and base to give length of 1.500". This ammo expands upon the inherent reliability advantages of the 300 Blackout to offer excellent impact and accuracy. In the time that they have been in operation, they have adopted some of the most cutting-edge manufacturing techniques. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Bullet: 150-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip Powder/Charge: Hodgdon Lil'Gun/17. Anyone have issues? I use Leatherhead coated bullets in three different calibers including 300 blk. Have made 300 blk brass from once fired 5.56 stuff. Long barrel 300BLK is near pointless IMO, you can find other rounds that outperform it handily in the same platform, with same length barrels. You can rest assured that whatever Sig Sauer product you get, you are getting the best in quality and innovation. Home formed RP 223 case, Magtech 7 1/2 primers. The ribs on .223 magazines are sized to support the necks on .223 / 5.56mm cartridge cases. 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