Most of your displayed work and comparisons are on oak or very hard wood. The finish is doing it's job. This will depend on whether the stairs are the same type of wood as the floor and a few other factors. They can be tricky to apply and you need to have a lot of speed as they are fast drying. This March we bought a new "standalone" stove with five-inch legs that allow you to see the flooring underneath. The red oak floor sanded raw was stunning, but almost every stain that I tried brought out way too many warm tones that got me right back to the orange color it was before. Or any voluntary wood flooring society? If you want the best of the best in surface finishes, this is it. We had the oak on the stairs stained a gunstock color and finished with 3 coats of a satin/semi-gloss oil-based poly. And which Australian timber specie do you have? I think it will last much longer with constant bleaching vs a polyurethane finish. We use their stains almost every day. There would have been no catalyzing action without that hardener additive, rendering the "2K" system inactive. But after reading on your sites of fire hazard with these product makes me really concerned. I am trying to decide between Rubio Monocoat vs. Pallmans Magic Oil, with no stain. 1 S. 1 a DSGVO, 25 Abs. Traffic HD is a great water based system. Youtube Zweck: Dies ist ein Video-Player-Dienst. After reading this One downside to water based finishes, if you have oak floors, is the color. If you want low gloss, I would work with the Loba 2K Supra AT in Satin. Do you remember or know if there was a jug inside of that packaging? If you just apply a clear water base finish to red or white oak it looks terrible., I am now concerned that i need to stay with oil. The wood was singing when others only hum. Thanks again for taking the time to help :) Michelle. He could have poured small amounts into a separate mixing container, but if so, there should still be a partial can of hardener left over too. Water only. Wir verwenden Cookies, um Ihnen ein optimales Webseiten-Erlebnis zu bieten. Die Daten werden von Google mit anderen Daten des Nutzers, wie beispielsweise dem Suchverlauf, persnlichen Accounts, den Nutzungsdaten anderer Gerte und allen anderen Daten, die Google zu diesem Nutzer vorliegen, verknpft. So do yourself a favour and remove the rugs. 35K views 3 years ago If you want a natural hardwood floor look, check out Loba's Invisible Protect at City Floor Supply! Hi Tadas, Excellent article, excellent site, thanks for sharing your experience! Thanks in advance. (We will be staining our oak strip floors a medium brown/gunstock color.) I know it is upsetting but NOTHING can hurt the WOOD underneath. A 12x13 room with one closet, takes time to cut in without making a mess. As far as sealing and using a hardwax oil on the sample floor you saw do you know what the product was? Just in case you need some help looking for quality assurances, use the NWFA link to figure out what pros SHOULD be like. I would really like to get an oil finish look under the Loba if possible. A hair. Bona NaturaSeall is a sealantnot finish. Yes you can buy it from floor supply distributors here in the States. SighI'm sorry to say but the 2 days is not enough for Loba AT products. Can you mix satin and semi-gloss for a slight sheen? Loba's 2K wear is among the best on the market for flooring finishes, especially if you were to go with Loba 2K Supra AT finish in satin or semi-gloss. Thanks in advance! My front windows have shield under a covered porch so im not worried about rain getting in. The Supra AT comes in semi-gloss and matt sheens. I am not super fast. You will need a new applicator for each 2K coat because the 2K is impossible to fully remove from the rollers and brushes even with rigorous cleaning. That would be my preference. Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Hello, Tadas! (ie. 49 Abs. Often these people will organize themselves so that they have a form of 'legal' backing. Matt spent a week building up and leveling out the subfloor. They come in a do a buff and coat with the new stuff. Bona NaturalSeal will allow a SNICK of yellow. 2 1/4 select Red Oak finished with Loba Invisible Protect 2k. London approx. Maple without a sheen may be a bit blah. Both are very good finishes. Hi there, sorry for late reply. Your mileage may vary. Did you like the higher VOC oil based finishes better than the 2 component water base ones before they were banned? In fact theyre becoming very popular in commercial projects because they dry fast and dont stink up the whole building. We're very happy with the look and work done. Or if you want a good GLOW on your floors then move to semi-gloss. You can apply 2 coats of NordicSeal if you want a slightly whiter floor. I was wondering if you can recommend a product to deepen the contrast in the two colors? The fumes will be strongest while applying the wet coating. So keep plugging away. I cant seem to find the maroon pad anywhere near me. That bag doesn't even look like the real 2K Invisible Protect product which comes in a plastic jug with a strainer pour spout and a separate small metal can of hardener to be mixed together with the base. Beautiful home accomplished! Would a 4th coat of easy finish look ok, and wear better? @Aglitter This will be just for the Loba Invisible. Belated thanks so much for answering my question from back in the summer (about matching a new finish to the older oil-based one on the stairs! Bona is the manufacturer and has MANY lines. If so, it was never catalyzed. But like you, I do wish it was available too. Eg. As a former seller of Loba products I ALWAYS explain the 'no rugs for 6 months' stuff. I did 3 coats of loba invisible on red oak. They have a lot of things going for them over conventional surface finishes. I would get that issue sorted out first. The almost invisible layer is also extremely scratch resistant, thanks to the use of high-quality raw materials. Contractor says he will use DuraSeal for stain and finish. Does water popping work on engineered wood (like mentioned above)? The catalyst is an industrial grade hardener and when its mixed into the finish, the chemicals blend and mix to form an extremely tough and extremely durable and scratch resistant floor system when its dry and cured. As can water popping the floor. White Oak, on the other hand, can look great in its natural state with a waterborne finish on top and no stain. Search epoxy table top resin in Google and have a look at that option. The finish will need to be ordered from a source outside of Australia.If, it is not available there. We currently ripped up carpet in our 2 kids bedrooms and the hallway, exposing red oak floors that Id like to stain grey. 2. What type of cleaner are you using when you damp clean the floors? Excellent content. 3. I'm not blaming anyone. The almost invisible layer is also extremely scratch resistant, thanks to the use of high-quality raw materials. We have used it, but not enough to recommend it fully. Of course the floors would have looked perfect before any traffic was put on them, hardener or no hardener. 5. 1 S. 1 a DSGVO) Speicherdauer Daten werden gelscht, sobald sie fr die Verarbeitungszwecke nicht mehr bentigt werden. I think the 'bag' is the label from the Loba 2K Invisible Protect AT. Google nutzt diese Daten zu beliebigen eigenen Zwecken sowie zur Profilbildung. The problems you are having are precisely what one would expect if the hardener had not been used. THIS IS THE PRODUCT you want to look at. It wouldn't have been practical for me to turn off the central heat given my parameters. What will effect it is if you put oil based on top it will amber the wood and make it darker. I am so lost when picking out a floor sealer for our new common #2 red oak wide plank floor. Verarbeitendes Unternehmen: Google Ireland Limited, Google Building Gordon House, 4 Barrow St, Dublin, D04 E5W5, Irland Genutzte Technologien: Cookies (VISITOR_INFO1_LIVE, YSC, PREF), Local Storage Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: IP-Adresse, angesehene Videos, Gerteinformationen, Referrer-URL Rechtsgrundlage: Art. God bless you for your willingness to help so many people! The full cure (100%) is roughly 7-10 days. While we all tried to anticipate what was best for the finished product, sometimes you just have to deal with what is and make it work! There are people that love it though. Things that would have left visible marks on our old poly floors, this stuff laughs at, OR because it's so matte, you just can't see it unless you are at the right angle (like when we had some fridge repairs done and our stupid fridge left some tracks when it was rolled out). No idea how many coats or wait time etc What I can answer is everything else, when we moved back in, when spots appeared etc The other issue I think we will encounter is responses from the Australian Loba reps. Loba's rollers are specifically designed for the Loba coatings and will offer the best performance. Ive been on the search for a Rubio-finished engineered floor to use over hydronic heat in our rehabbed farmhouse for several months. The general cleaning tips you were given are good, but you should wait 5 days for a Loba 2K product to completely cure before moving heavy items on it, and be aware that some customer reviews would indicate that the Loba 2K products continue to harden even after 5 days, so be careful with the floor in the early weeks. We have an experienced refinisher lined up to do the job who has never used the product. should i open the windows as im laying the stain down? No Waterlox is not classified as a hardwax oil finish. 4) Again testing is a must. I'm going to hazard a guess that '3 children' are going to be rather hard on floors. Just to be MORE confusing, Bona Traffic NATURALE is a FINISH To get a sealant onto the floor you MUST have raw wood (which means all the work that has already been done = has to be done again). In the past 6 months (2 months longer than expected), I have. The Loba 2K Supra AT (satin, semi-gloss version) is NOT as problematic as the Invisible AT. Suitable for parquet, wooden and cork floors. So frustrating. Love the information you have provided, as it has helped me immensely. Hi Becky. ph/text: 475-241-4073 James.Toal@Loba-Wakol.com. If my hardwood floor contractor has not used this line, will he be able to do properly? Like, I can mop and then wipe the floor with a wet paper towel and it comes up absolutely filthy. If you are a poster trying to get solutions here in this thread, which is an old one, please understand that it is usually better to start your own new thread and especially so when multiple people are seeking counsel simultaneously in the same thread about separate problems. Other people such as, People worry about the color changes with Loba's WS EasyPrime and 2K Supra AT. Loba Invisible Protect When I first met these homeowners in 2014, their original hardwood floors were too thin to refinish. I have a natural maple Mirage floor in my kitchen that is now 20 years old. I know this is an old post. The finish is absolutely beautiful and so strong. There will be one final coat applied after some final touches are made with transition pieces in certain areas. The 'exotic hardwoods' (exotic from a NORTHERN Country perspective = South America and South Asia and Oceania) are OFTEN photosensitive. We have 94 sq mtrs of these floors, its a large space & really hard to manage 3 little kids & trying to stop any more marks appearing. My loss! Unfortunately we trusted that he knew what he was doing & was experienced with the product he was using. I am finishing my first floor with Rubio Monocoat and would like to know your recommendation to increase the sheen of finish from matte to satin. I'm glad I could pull you back from the edge! It also dries much slower. Was that too much to ask?! Are you familiar with any pre-finished flooring that uses the hardwax finish? I love your reviews of the top three Rubio, Loba and Ciranova products. Personally I like the look of darker floors and windows being a more lighter/neutral color. 49 Abs. Now that kid are grown, the floor needs to be sanded and refinished. This year I have been trying to share the quirky things that come up on jobs, because almost every job has at least one unanticipated thing that requires a decision on how to handle the quirky item. You may need to have the flooring tested or evaluated and consult with a construction lawyer if the finisher refuses to take responsibility. Its a beautiful table but we havent used it yet because people have told me that it doesnt have a protective finish and gets ruined easily. I just put a towel under the dog bed and will worry about it some other time. Loba Invisible Protect On Select Red Oak! I wanted a rustic, beige toned color with gray undertones. Id have a chat with your contractor and tell him youd like it to match as close as possible and see what he says. However, I have also considered the Loba Supra AT and wondered what you thought of each. This can be done at any time as long as the floor is clean and has no contaminants. Just follow the data sheet for drying instructions according to your climate. Its supposed to rain here so i figure that may allowing a little more time before it dries as im putting the stain down. Are you kidding?? For 2K, they will need to lay down the finish within highly specific parameters in order to get a smooth, durable surface since 2K begins to flash dry extremely quickly. We gave it a go, it was marketed as hard wearing, perfect for high traffic, homes with families etc After a few days we noticed track marks, chemical burns. I would not recommend this with a red floor like yours. I, for one, wouldn't be investing in a table that wasn't already factory finished. Thanks so much! I have a red oak floor waiting to be finished. You are a saint Our main issue now is that our contractor wont return calls or emails & has become nasty so he wont disclose to us exactly what he has done. Im also considering the Osmo Polyx-oil. Thank you. We are planning on installing hardwood floors one room at a time and would like to go darker. Difficult for a professional to do well? How many applications are necessary 2 or 3. How long before you saw the FIRST splash spot? Heres a project we did not long ago with an ultra-matte water based finish over White Oak. Let us help with your next project! Make sure all excess is removed too. Yes we use Universal Maintenance Oil for this. If it is going over a stained oak floor, will the top-coats appearances be noticeably different from one another? Retains the natural appearance and feel of untreated wood. This product can also be combined with a whitener to bypass white stain.. These spots would have formed for the first 1 - 5 days (day 2 -7 of curing) while living on the floor. The first night we slept on the floors our dog got sick and my daughter didnt notice the mess until noon the next day. That is VERY rare for a 'splash' of some sort. Contractor says he will do 2 coats of finish and one coat sealer, are they the same or sealer is different from finish. The oil then is buffed in and then buffed off. My projects also involved about an hour working with the wet 2K catalyzed products; the fumes were very strong even with an N95 mask and open windows, and I was applying the coating in cold weather which meant the cure time was speeding up against the outside air compared to warmer inside air. The protective surface finish provided by 2K InvisibleProtectA.T. I got all my products online from. Day 6 AFTER the final coat: family can move back in - furniture can be GENTLY placed on the floor - no shoes in the house or hard toys played with on the floor, 12. We ended up using Invisible , and we love the floors. 8. Right. Discuss all types of hardwood flooring here Hello all! Is there a good way to closely match the floors? 6 Abs. Especially when homeowner moves from one extreme (high gloss) to the other (extra matte). Another thing to consider is that EasyPrime prevents edge bonding, and if this is something that could be an issue in your climate, you won't have that added layer of protection since Invisible Protect alone doesn't offer that as a primary feature. If different, what sealing product will go with above. As far as toning down the red give it a couple of years and they will darken naturally. These spots can indicate a BOND issue in those spots. These finishes can be used in domestic as well as high traffic commercial applications. Yes the floor should be buffed with a fine grit paper to smooth it down and then vacuum and more coats of finish applied. The latest generation of water-based surface protection products for parquet. Thank you, Alli. Your refinisher failed to tell you about the length of time you needed to be off the floor. Just to confirmif we use Bona Natural or Bona Nordic, do we NEED at Finisher? Dadurch kann Ihr Rechner wiedererkannt werden, wenn Sie auf die Webseite zurckkehren. Hi, all the wood in my home is stained golden oak. Well, spring of 2020 was finally that time! and the house has been rented. It's entirely up to you. Thanks so much for explaining the differences between a couple of the best finishes you feel are available for hardwood floors. Installing the wood floors prior to the installation of the cabinets, we thought that the transition on the back of the cabinet was going to happen one way, but the reality was a little different than what we expected. 3) We dont use raw wood cleaner on oak or maple, but they say it must be used on exotics. Hmmmm switching products mid finish is not advised. Thanks for any recommendations you can give! 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