Hell, Gehenna the garbage dump. The Greek word GeHenna is often translated as Hell Fire in other Bibles. First, you still seem to think you are in a position to lecture Christ on how to conduct his affairs. About the other direction he didn't ask. I haven't memorised all the conciliar canons and anathemata but I think neither have you. Councils made positive definition of faith (e.g. "You talk of the teaching of the "church" from the earliest days. Only the latter is grounds for personal condemnation. Ive always thought that this was an established fact. After the Jews returned from the Babylonian exile, the valley became a garbage dump where anything considered unclean was placed. Named in the New Testament in Greek form (from the Hebrew Ge Hinnom, meaning "valley of Hinnom"), Gehenna originally was a valley west and south of Jerusalem where children were burned as sacrifices to the Ammonite god Moloch. By Jesus' time, the Valley of Hinnom was a full fledged garbage dump with its wretched rotting aromas, howls of scavenging wild animals, and smoldering and perpetual fires. He got into trouble with a lot of people over many things, but one area of his teaching was never assailed by any church council and that was his teaching on universal salvation.". Rather than restate much that has been said before, let me just point you and any interested readers to a couple of articles on the issue of eternal punishment (which was not the subject of this post). It is part and parcel with the place that we normally call Hell. The origin of the "garbage dump" theory appears to be Kimchi. After all, Samaria did not return either but found successors that, though unconneceted with the northern kingdom, called themselves Samaritans. Your email address will not be published. In the lower part of the Hinnom Valley and Kidron Valley, the city dumped its waste and burned its trash. ), "And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.". You are confusing the matters under discussion at the time whith what others wrote at other times. What early church fathers "got into trouble" with universal salvation? He claims they are already undergoing it. You claim that Jude talks about Sodom suffering eternal fire but that's not the clear reading of the text. James A. Montgomery observes this medieval commentators logic, but does not accept it. Much less towards others with "universalist" leanings. This is then used as an example of a future judgment. No, it means the valley pictured is no longer a steep ravine because it became a landfill, and today is a city park. Ive listened to many sermons and conference talks over the years which have included in them a curious factoid, namely that Gehenna was not only a reference to the Valley of Hinnon, but that it was also a perpetually burning trash dump. I find it interesting that people use the ideas they have been taught about 'hell' being eternal and transfer that to a symbolic statement that Jesus made about worms and fire. But that was the exception and in violation of the principles. I had no idea that the Old Testament provides ample evidence for why the New Testament associates Gehenna with the abode of the damned. Some scholars claim Gehenna later became a " garbage dump ," where refuse was subsequently burned. Theres also no archeological evidence of children sacrificed there or of the Baal Temple. Saying "God is eternal" is chickening out. Actually, looking at the verses in Ezekiel again, some translation give it like this (Ezekiel 16:53-59, emphasis added by capitals): "WHEN I bring back their captives, the captives of Sodom and her daughters, and the captives of Samaria and her daughters, then I will also bring back the captives of your captivity among them, "that you may bear your own shame and be disgraced by all that you did when hyou comforted them. And Christ spoke (e.g. They will long to die, but death will flee from them. "Saint" doesn't mean infallible, you know! If this is supposed to be a literal story about the suffering of an eternal "hell", there would be no need to explain the gulf as being necessary to prevent people from going from Abraham's bosom to the other side where there is torment. PDF . Sodom and Gommorah were famous cities, and distinct in their time. Is. When Jesus spoke of Gehenna, his hearers would think of the valley of rotting, worm-infested garbage, where the fire always burned, smoke always lingered, and if the wind blew just right, a smell that sickened the sense wafted in the air. (pp. This is getting silly! So "time" as we know it is not eternal. be anathema!) I also find it hard to be confident in any council since they often allow someone to have a leading role who would be declared a heretic a short time later, like the case of Marcellus you brought up.There seemed to be a lot of see-sawing going on. We should rather shun them than let them damage our salvation. This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a . If it is Isaiah, then you cannot take this prophet to invalidate what Christ himself taught. Gehenna is the Greek version of the biblical word Gehinnom or Gei Hinnom (the valley of Hinnom Joshua 15:8). Gehenna, also called Gehinnom, abode of the damned in the afterlife in Jewish and Christian eschatology (the doctrine of last things). There is BTW no clear verse saying that the kingdom would have an end, many things that speak against it. Then he quotes Peter Head, G. R. Beasley-Murray, and Lloyd Bailey in tracing the origin of this notion to Rabbi David Kimchi in AD 1200. This is the third entry in a three-part series deconstructing popular illustrations that pastors give their congregations, all of which might sound good or spiritual, but do not correspond to history or reality. All in all it points to a figurative description rather than a literal. Hell fire, Gehenna the garbage dump with its constantly burning fire. The Hebrew word is used in relation to people. 9:28 or was that Is. As a rubbish dump, Gehenna was a place where fire burned constantly and where worms feasted on the garbage, and these images were transferred to the never-ending punishment of the rebellious. It is translated "hell" every time. Paul turned a Christian over to satan for the DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH. 1 [1841], 404-5). What a waste of time this would mean. But, I agree, that Universalists play the "eternal is not always time" hand way too much! Ezekiel indeed prophesies that Sodom, Samaria and Juda would return to their former state. It is the birthplace of the yugoloths, which dwell here in great numbers. Indeed, there is no reason to search further for ancient burning piles of discarded newspapers, product packaging, and junk mail. I would look at a phrase like this and wonder how anyone who didn't want to be deceived could think that it was talking about anything less than the rest of eternity: . 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Though a duration of time is the most common use of the word, just as with most any word, there can be different meanings depending on the context. The Myth of the Burning Garbage Dump of Gehenna - Dr. Michael Heiser The Myth of the Burning Garbage Dump of Gehenna Posted by DrHeiser | Apr 7, 2011 | AAG, Afterlife / Sheol / Hades, Ancient Sites & Archaeology, NakedBible, New Testament | That's the title of this worthwhile post from Todd Bolen. So you don't want to "blot them out", you want to "reconcile all" but again this is just utter disrespect to human beings and their free will, which in turn is a denial of the opportunity to love. Because the Hinnom and Kidron Valleys are located on the southeast side of Jerusalem, the prevailing winds carry the winds away from the city. Maybe you guys think you are as smart as our all knowing all seeing creator. Regarding individuals, councils excommunicated those that refused to accept a definition reached (or for crimes i.e. That is not a wonderful promise, that is a concept more horrific and disturbing than anything any horror writer could come up with. It is amazing how putting on the legalistic "glasses" that came into the church from the Latin converts can blind people to verses that out to stop them in their tracks and make them wonder "What is going on here?". A Christian in error is still a Christian.]. PDF. Kent thank you for your comment. 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. This is talking about a place where the worms do not die, (?the flesh is never fully consumed) and the fire is not quenched. Obviously, this fire is not still burning today, so this fire had an "age to come" or better put a "forever result" quality to it vs. a duration quality to it. There is a lot of other stuff about fallen spirits changing form, etc., that makes it understandable how he would get into trouble. And does the father disinherit the son after the latter has conquered and toiled for him. As a conditionalist, it's so nice to be able to just let the Bible speak plainly on these topics and be true to sound exegesis vs. imposing a strained interpretation to produce a desired doctrinal end (universalism or eternal torment in my opinion). Not unlike the fire of 2 Thes. Romans 11:32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. My time, unfortunately, is limited too. He is not being literal here", "He is speaking about cutting off or getting rid of something of the carnal man.". As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases. And he talks about those going this way because that is what the rich man asks for, for someone in heaven to come and alleviate his suffering. ), the valley was later transformed into a garbage dump for the city of Jerusalem. If you don't like it, go and take something else but don't put your thoughts into Christ's mouth. See Joachim Jeremias Jerusalem in the Time of Jesus, p. 44. Fears becalmed. The restoration of these cities is tied to the PEOPLE that lived there in 16:55. Seems a little disproportionate to me. It was like the time of the reproach of the daughters of Syria and all those around her, and of jthe daughters of the Philistines, who despise you everywhere. The second results in being in danger of the council, and the third results in danger of the fire of Gehenna. There is no mention in the tons upon tons of writings we have from Church Fathers, Christian and Jewish writers, or even secular writers for that matter. Gray land and gray sky throughout, with no sun . And why should it? That did not happen. For more details, see copyright information. The people in the surrounding areas dumped their trash in Gehenna, where it burned day and night. But that doesn't meant that only the "devil gets saved in the end" was condemned. 20:10. If He only referred to Gehenna itself, a garbage dump that was used as an incinerator outside the city of Jerusalem, the teachers of the law and the Pharisees in Jesus' time had nothing to do with the judgment of Gehenna. Jesus actually never talked about eternal torment. We are not all doomed as so many believe. And speaking of context, you are ignoring the context that Jesus is alluding to in this passage, and that is Isaiah 66:23-24. The Valley of Hinnom, named Gehenna in Greek, lies just outside the city of Jerusalem. Jesus actually talked of kolasis aionian temporary correction/discipline. 7:32-33). One of the immediate problems of any hermeneutics about Gehenna is the religious . If it were "eternal pruning" and this doesn't make sense to you, your problem is with Christ. His judgments result in righteousness, and the end of the Lord is mercy. "if there is part of your body that causes you to stumble, cut it off. From "The Fires of Gehenna: View of Scholars" by Todd Bolen, "The first is Edward Robinson, preeminent explorer of the Holy Land beginning in 1838. The references to fire in Is 31.9 and Is 33.14 envisioned Yahweh's power as bringing vengeance on Israel's oppressors (Is 33.10 - 12) rather than a fire . No matter how many times people say this and it has become street truth there is no evidence that there was a town dump outside Jerusalem in the first century. One of the strange things about all of the talk about whether punishment is eternal or not is the fact that if the Lord had wanted to communicate the idea that punishment would be eternal, there are several ways to do this in Greek and make it crystal clear. I confused the council of Nicea with the Nicene Creed that came out of the council at Constantinople later on. The BiblePlaces Blog provides updates and analysis of the latest in biblical archaeology, history, and geography. All the while, under the surface, the fire still burned, devouring the putrid garbage days and weeks past. ), the Hinnon Valley was condemned as an unholy place. If it had been one, we would expect to find evidence. It might have been just as well to not press it. This passage appears to me about the situation immediately after God's victory, so it is surely not placed during a time when the New Jerusalem has already been established for a long time. Voting for the Political Party of Infanticide in 2020 is Great Says JD Greear. The name Sha'ar Ha'ashpot appears in the Book of Nehemiah 3:13-14. I find it much easier to explain passages such as Matthew 25:46 in light of the above verses. It can't. [Worms and fire normally die and go out (no need for nitpicking about how going out is not being quenched) this is why Jesus raises the point that these worms and this fire (which is obviously figurative language) do NOT DIE and do NOT GO OUT. Worms and fire normally die and go out (no need for nitpicking about how going out is not being quenched) this is why Jesus raises the point that these worms and this fire (which is obviously figurative language) do NOT DIE and do NOT GO OUT. eitchen midden, kitchen midden, midden - (archeology) a mound of domestic refuse containing shells and animal bones marking the site of a prehistoric settlement. But note that Sodom has not returned to its former state, so I doubt your literalist reading is correct. You clearly havened thought the whole matter through and would trade in salvation for 20th century sensibilities. Jerome is one, Christ may be another. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. Almost every major commentary on Matthew that mentions Gehenna also spoke of the garbage dump. This message has a warning for everyone today, but especially Christian leaders. In the case of life age-during, that life is with God, who is eternal. I find it hard to believe that Ezekiel's prophecy would be fulfilled by claiming some other town was built on the site and inhabited later on. "WHEN your sisters, Sodom and her daughters, return to their former state, and Samaria and her daughters return to their former state, then you and your daughters will return to your former state. "Six seminaries" did not exist. There was a fire there, burning constantly to consume the trash. Rubbish, bones, decaying. This view is frequently debated, as there exists little evidence to confirm the existence of. "The three parables you mention also do not say how long the consequences for failure last or whether there is anything else to take place afterward.". As Dale Allison puts it, "without ancient support." It is a deep and narrow ravine on the South West side of Jerusalem - first mentioned in Joshua 15:8 and in 18:16 where it says that the boundary line between the tribes of Judah . When a fire is not quenched it burns UNTIL IT RUNS OUT OF FUEL. Neovia group's Profile, Revenue and Employees. So at that point there will be no more "aionian" life, it will be the same life as was lived in the "aion", but now it will continue outside of time. to fully consume all things dumped there. He wrote: In these gardens, lying partly within the mouth of Hinnom and partly in the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and irrigated by the waters of Siloam, Jerome assigns the place of Tophet; where the Jews practised the horrid rites of Baal and Moloch, and burned their sons and their daughters in the fire. It was probably in allusion to this detested and abominable fire, that the later Jews applied the name of this valley (Gehenna), to denote the place of future punishment or the fires of hell. What has that got to do with it. Where is the record of an uproar over them? "In any case, Gregory Naziznen was allowed to preside over that council.". During the reign of King Josiah (640-609 B.C. Eternal life doesn't mean that there is no time just as it doesn't mean there is no space. It does not need to be quenched. Though only for a while, but of course his being rejected is not related to any universalist teaching (if he held such, which is not undisputed), which were not the issue in 381. Are there going to be new moons and sabbaths in eternity? But this doesn't give you the right to twist his words. There is no biblical support for this, neither is there any literary sources or archaeological data from the intertestamental or rabbinic periods to suggest this. DIANA is a world leader in natural functional solutions for the food, pet food, nutraceuticals, aquaculture and cosmetics industries, and technology leader in plant cell culture, dedicated to the production of active ingredients for food, cosmetics and health. After the ages, there will be no need to describe Him to anyone because all will know Him fully, just as they also are known by Him now. You can also spare us quasi-racist ideas like >>legalistic "glasses" that came into the church from the Latin converts<<, Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. OR look at a verse like this and at least rethink the idea that worms die and fires are quenched . My last post was too long so here's the rest . Almost every major commentary on Matthew that mentions Gehenna also spoke of the garbage dump. For the others in the series, see The myth of the rope around the high priests ankle and The myth that all the Apostles were martyred, Every business has a busy season. It is a widespread misconception by twisting around this or that word in the bible, you suddenly can change the content of the Christian faith. All will be reconciled with God in the fullness of time, at the end of the ages. Jesus used this term. It differs from the neutral-leaning Sheol as Gehenna was considered a type of waiting room; the longest one can be there is 11 or 12 months with few exceptions. The parables all imply that the judgement is final, because "the door was locked" it is an unfounded assumption on your part that it would be opened again. It is amazing how many things we take as "established fact" that simply are not true. It smoldered there beneath the surface, incinerating the rotting, smelly garbage. Lambs? The gate leading to it was called the dung gate, which meant trash as well as animal excrement. I'm sure there will come forth a brilliant solution to this apparent contradiction that will make it disappear. It doesn't matter what we think! The common view today is that Gehenna was the garbage dump of Jerusalem. Neither says anything about eternal punishment being only temporary. 66:24?. The valley was the scene of human sacrifices, burned in the worship of Moloch (2 Kings 16:3 and 21:6), which accounts for the prophecy of Jeremiah that it would be called the Valley of Slaughter under judgment of God (Jer. If the trash dump was burning or not - I don't know. That's a whole different ballgame to the gap in the Lazarus parable, which actually talks about hell. PDF. and rules called canons. Everything! But if they happened to return next week, would that mean that sinners from Sodom would not be punished for their sins? Can you confirm whether this was traditional practice? In Hebrew, the Valley of Hinnom was 'Ge Hinnom' which transliterated into Greek became 'Gehenna.' Because of its history of infant sacrifice and idol worship, the area was associated with desecration, abominable fires . [Jude uses the fate of Sodom as recounted in Genesis as a type of divine punishment. There are plenty of parallel verses that teach the salvation of all that must be explained away if you want to cling to a doctrine of eternal torture. Nice work. I also don't think we will be taking field trips out to look at burning and worm eaten bodies in eternity. All of the trash, refuse, and dung from the city was dumped out there. must be explained away if you want to cling to a doctrine of eternal torture. Which brings us back to our starting point: it is eternal for good and bad or age-enduring for both, not this for one and that for another.]. [Are you serious? Rather, god gives the gift of immortality to the saved only per apostle Paul. You are also disrespectful towards the damned it is one thing, as God does, to give them their just deserts, but quite another to simply blot them out from existence and pretend everything's fine. It is a reasonable deduction that there would be a dump and also reasonable that sometimes it would be alite and bodies throw there for shame. Gender matters: women and religion, 1960-2000, Barbara Brown Zikmund. Not necessarily. According to Chan and Sprinkle "The first reference we have to the Hinnom Valley, or Gehenna, as a town dump is made by a rabbi named David Kimhi in a Commentary, which was written in AD 1200." We should also note that there is no archeological evidence of Gehenna as a garbage dump. We seem to just read right past those verses. So no "this verse could be left out" reasoning. "the worm never dies" how do you turn never into "sometime in the future"? McBride has more details and the sources in his post. Check out Matt 25:46. One should also remember that archeology developers it's conclusions from the remains of history and of necessity because of the often small amount found makes wrong conclusions. It is possible to use a word, like aionian, to make a statement of fact, without being forced to use it as a statement of limitation. "Gehenna" was a very concrete location in Jesus' time. [2] The valley is also known by the name Gehinnom ( G-Hnnm, lit. I don't believe that and I don't believe the last commenter does either. A Christian in error is still a Christian. Jude says Sodom and Gomorrah undergo vengeance in "eternal fire", and Ezekiel says that Sodom and her daughters will one day be restored to their former estate. I thought, Anon, you didn't have time. Romans 11: "mercy to all" doesn't mean all accept it. Everlasting is only aionios in Greek, so that everlasting hell becomes only age-during garbage dump, the age being not 2011 but just AD 70. And it is obviously contradicting the parable to consider what could happen after the feast for if the kingdom is like that feast and there would be an afterwards, it would no longer be eternal. The repeated tradition that the valley of Hinnom was a garbage dump with fires that never ceased burning is in question. He is not being literal here, He is speaking about cutting off or getting rid of something of the carnal man. Gehenna -- the Valley of Hinnom -- was indeed a valley outside Jerusalem. They might as well say nothing on this issue. This combination of abominable fires and divine judgment led to the association of the valley with a place of perpetual judgment (see Isa. It is also very instructive to study the writings of the early church fathers and church history to see how prevalent a belief universal salvation was, and then compare the conditions that surrounded the second council at Constantinople where they decided that a confession of belief in an eternal hell was one of the conditions for being accepted into "the church". When death is destroyed the only thing left is life. Centuries later Gehenna had become the garbage dump of Jerusalem. >>And speaking of context, you are ignoring the context that Jesus is alluding to in this passage, and that is Isaiah 66:23-24. Romans 5:18-21 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. A shorter one, posted at Grace to You: Is Hell Really Endless? One is kolasin, the other timoria. 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