Did they actually drink it? Now were talking about SIBO. So thats bloating, abdominal pain, constipation, diarrhea. It might be parasites. So anyway, its five tablets of Biotics ADP. And overall they feel sicker than other SIBO patients. And why? So we have to keep that in consideration for the prevalence of this. One tab of Pepto bismol 20min before meals. So I went hunting. So its truly toxic. A low-sulfur diet can be helpful. Its Biofilm Phase-2 Advanced. Remember, with any case of SIBO, it is extremely important to rule out other underlying causes that could be contributing to bacterial overgrowth such as decreased digestive motility, and to consult with a doctor who is knowledgeable in treating patients with IBS. As always, make sure to talk with your doctor to determine the best protocol. Is it colonic gas? A hydrogen breath test is a fairly simple, noninvasive way to check for sugar intolerance or SIBO. I understand it but I think if I didnt feel strongly, I wouldnt offer it as a laboratory owner. And they have been exciting. It doesnt matter what were talking about. The dose was 524 milligrams, four times a day. Working hand in hand, thats what youre able to glean from the data that we provide you. So let me zoom us way out. Thats why its flat. Its not a study. Bacteria found in your mouth and gastrointestinal tract produce hydrogen sulfide from decomposing materials that contain vegetable or animal proteins.3. People with SIBO or dysbiosis will produce even more gas than average. Can we reproduce the event, where we can measure hydrogen sulfide and detect it? If you have bacteria where it doesnt belong, which is in the small intestine The small intestine is supposed to have less than 10 to the 3 colony forming units of bacteria. I asked Dr. Weinstock about that, and he said that approach had been very successful in his experience. And it was like they had both histamine and salicylate intolerance on top of their SIBO food intolerance. It makes my job much easier, cuts down my calls. I know theres a preference. It was actually starting a year ago in spring, thats when the first research studies were coming out with this new technology, and they were finding diarrhea. So, Ill pause. Glutathione (used by that last one) is also most powerful antioxidant in the body, comprised of three amino acids: cysteine (which contains sulfur), glutamine, and glycine. They have the mycin on the end of the name of them. You see, your digestive tract is designed to house a host of different microbes that make up what is collectively known as your gut microbiome. DrMR: Thats alarming, but not surprising. Great question. But Allison, lets go through some of these. If theres newer technology, I would assume that manufacturer and others will come up with it. Ive seen them all work and Ive seen them all fail. Its not a guarantee that almost anyones symptoms are being caused by the gut. But you do need to have a lactulose breath test, not a glucose. Its not really. By now Im sure the audience is accustomed to me looking at things in this way. But again, zooming us way out, its great that we have some of these symptoms that can help steer this process. And I hope it came through that I dont disagree one bit with everyones desire to have lactulose, for the very reason that Dr. Siebecker stated. And we can get into the treatment differences in a second. Allison, why dont we go into the symptoms that one may want to be on the lookout for, that indicate that hydrogen sulfide SIBO may be present? And I just looked at all the patterns of all my hydrogen sulfide patients. So we think were still dealing with a SIBO patient, but we have a flat line hydrogen methane test. Or what are your thoughts about just adding in some bismuthor something like thatto your approach to treating SIBO, generally speaking, based on the fact that we cant measure hydrogen sulfide right now, and you dont know youre dealing with it? Because they had diarrhea that flushed it out. Symptoms usually include bloating primarily, sometimes belching and reflux, and sometimes constipation and/or diarrhea. So again, we have Allison and Gary here. Then the hands and feet and fingers and toes can have tingling or numbness. But if we dont have enough of it, one theory is that the body encourages overgrowth of H2S producing bacteria to compensate. But if Im seeing flat with glucose, I have to ask the same questions. Our Disclaimer and Privacy Policy. I continued to workout and sweat often. This is an area where I am certainly open. Learn more about breath testing here. But by and large, were having a lot of success based on everything that weve discussed. Which are: does the patient suffer from tingling of the hands and feet, do they have photophobia, intolerance to noise, visceral body pain, do they have the odorous gas, that river bed or rotten egg odor? Yes, absolutely, Dr. Siebecker, thank you. Welcome to Dr. Ruscio Radio. By reducing your intake of sulfur for an extended period of time, youll give your body the break it needs to get back on track. And so I asked what Dr. Pimentel and Dr. Weinstock were doing. If you follow those simple guidelineseven though sometimes its hard when youre not feeling well, youre looking for anything to make you feel betterI think you have the highest probability of using the hydrogen-sulfide-SIBO-nuanced treatments to your benefit. indigestion. DrMR: Okay. So it could be that theres methane present at the same time, and methane is usually more dominant than hydrogen sulfide. Any suggestions? So we cant see that gas, but the hydrogen is getting converted into hydrogen sulfide and no methane is being made (because methane also uses hydrogen). I have to underscore this. In this article, we will walk you through the basics of intestinal gas, what hydrogen sulfide SIBO is, as well as different strategies you can use to find relief. (3) Amazon and the Amazon logo are trademarks of Amazon.com, Inc, or its affiliates. And many GI's are not aware of that and simply prescribe course after course of Rifaximin. So they go for the new and novel, at the expense of what we already know can work. We respect your privacy. Your doctor may suggest taking over-the-counter medications such as Pepto Bismol that may be effective in fighting egg burps. Does your breath test simultaneously measure CH4, CO2, H2 and H2S? Teigen et al., Nutrients 2019, 11, 931 DrMR: So to my knowledgeand I havent checked in the past couple monthsthere have only been one or two studies looking at hydrogen sulfide SIBO. Also, a pain in the area of the bladder. And oregano is a standard combination I use. It is estimated that the average person will make around 0.6 to 1.8 liters (L) of gas every day. It can be compounded, but you could also buy it over the counter. Honestly Ive stopped using it because it became more expensive and Im not so sure about that test. DrMR: Okay. Do I take my time to do that or take the easy way out and just send the results? 3 Although it is normal to produce some amounts of this gas, an excess amount can be an indicator of a certain type of gastrointestinal issue. Use until diarrhea stops but not longer than 2 days. We want to know whether or not were dealing with it from a hydrogen and methane perspective. If you are utilizing a generated prep that you didnt validate The only validation Ive ever seen is chicken, fish, eggs, white rice sometimes, and white bread. Its just talk. Thats because you expect a rise. One was done with Cipro. Those with a homozygous (two bad copies) genetic mutation in an enzyme called CBS (Cystathionine beta-synthase) may also be at risk, as the CBS enzyme drives the recycling of sulfur-containing compounds. so that cells can carry on normal functions even when under stress. Zinc acetate has some research, and also soy isoflavones, and a Chinese herbal preparation. The numbers in the parentheses (1, 2, 3) are clickable links to peer-reviewed scientific papers. In the colon, there are numerous bacterial species that grow on poorly digested foods such as starches and sugars (carbohydrates).2As the bacteria within the colon ferment these foods, hydrogen and carbon dioxide gases are released during the process. Pepto-Bismol is used to treat diarrhea, nausea, heartburn, indigestion, gas, or upset stomach. So their actual digestive and all of these symptoms like the neuralgia and the body pain would get worse, which is unique. And I just began running it because it was so inexpensive. But well come back to that in more detail in a moment. Pepto-Bismol can be taken as a tablet or liquid, depending on . How do you know if you have SIBO or dybsosis/ hydrogen sulfide issue? Download Episode (Right click on link and Save As). The three most important and abundant elements within our body, in order, are calcium, phosphorus, and sulfur. Im very excited. Unfortunately, there is not as much research on this type of overgrowth and it can be challenging to manage and treat it effectively. Dysbiosis just means an imbalanced bacterial flora and SIBO means small intestine bacterial overgrowth. Sometimes theyd be taking allicin which comes from garlic, and thats sulfur-containing. Regarding support, if youre not highly proficient in reading SIBO labs, Gary definitely offers the best clinical support Ive ever come across. Reducing your intake of sulfur-containing foods, for even a small amount of time, can help your body detox from a clogged sulfur pathway. However, as Dr. Ruscio clearly pointed out in the introduction, we need to be cautious that we dont jump from an approach that weve used in large part to actively deal with patients suffering from SIBO globally, to newer technologies that may be very exciting and new in research situations, but have not been necessarily tested, nor has the technology been validated to really lead us. He goes over labs in detail and offers insight analysis and really goes above and beyond. And when that happens, then we can really talk. So I think you have to be careful not to hold this out as, every case who is negative on a SIBO breath test has hydrogen sulfide as the cause. And they often actually say, I feel toxic. Its really interesting. However, clinicians must warn travelers about blackening of the stool or tongue when taking this drug. Green tea is well documented with research showing it reduces hydrogen sulfide gas by 30%. So youll have these, and it doesnt matter if its Monday morning, Thursday afternoon, or Sunday evening. Theyre drawing folks in for that purpose and thats whos seeking them out. DrAS: Well, actually let me jump in here. Two, if your test is negative, consider hydrogen sulfide. TypicalSIBO antibiotics, such as Xifaxan, Neomycin, Berberine, Neem, and oregano, can also be effective in treating H2S symptoms. I believe we discussed this on the podcast a while ago, that for suspected hydrogen sulfide SIBO, you could add in bismuth to synergize with antimicrobials. And I often point patients to Dr. Siebeckers site and Dr. Jacobis site, trusted, well-valued across the board, and to Dr. Ruscios podcast for information. Intestinal gas can either come from swallowed air, which is termedexogenous gas, or from the bacteria that reside within our gastrointestinal tract which is calledendogenousgas.1. But we dont want to confuse these patients. Personalizing SIBO treatment by assessing hydrogen sulfide with Dr. Mark Pimentel. Although it is normal to produce some amounts of this gas, an excess amount can be an indicator of a certain type of gastrointestinal issue. And particularly for hydrogen in the third hour, thats sort of the keynote: we should see the hydrogen rising because theres bacteria in the large intestine. This can also be used as a simple diagnostic tool to determine whether H2S is playing a role in your symptoms. When he couldn't keep up with demand he enlisted the Norwich Pharmacal Company in Norwich, New York. Thats when we start to really see the notable level of improvement, where now someone is 70, 80, 90 percent improved. All rights reserved. On the other hand, when someone has just constipation it usually indicates a methane overgrowth or bloom issue. He sold his invention directly to other doctors. Its coming. And so well have them run a one-week trial, and thats adequate to help us piece that together. So what does it really mean? I havent tried it yet. Meaning they cant master what they already have at their disposal. The symptoms are resolving. Yes. Is there increased frequency? gas. Then we zero in and revisit the chronic postprandial symptoms. And then those are used way too commonly. Are we dealing with methane? I just started molybdenum by itself and plan to do the Epsom salts. Again, Aerodiagnostics is the SIBO lab I use in my clinic. Aerodiagnostics.com. If you use highly absorbable foods, that hasnt been tested. Supplementing with molybdenum, which is a mineral that helps in sulfur metabolism, can also be very helpful. But, Bismuth subsalicylate has also been shown to substantially reduce gas in the intestine caused by hydrogen sulfide. August 14, 2019. belching. Gary, anything that you want to close with? Then there are some herbs that we could use. I will never share, sell, or publish your email address. Its most important, of course, to find the root cause. Gary Stapleton: Yes, thank you, Dr. Ruscio. DrAS: Yes, its siboinfo.com and its a free educational website. Sorry to hear she is having trouble with the baths. Dr. Allison Siebecker, ND: Diarrhea and constipation. DrMR: Sweet. For a while there, I couldnt tell, is it helping methane? And then when I started going out to our normal time framesa minimum of two weeks, if not a monthand usually a month, then we were starting to see better results. Sometimes referred to as "the pink stuff," Pepto-Bismol is an over-the-counter (OTC) medication that is safe and effective for short-term use. So we have to see how this pans out. Three of the livers Phase II Detoxification processes (rendering a toxic molecule less harmful) require sulfur: sulfation, glucoronidation, and glutathione-S-transferase. Sometimes that would make them worse. DrAS: Ill just mention, if a person has a negative and youre thinking it could be hydrogen sulfide, the first thing to look at is to see if its a flat line test or hydrogen sulfide test. Approximately 11% of people worldwide suffer from IBS, a. And I think I had one patient report it from burping. So theyre more challenging cases. But I would suspect if we had comparative data, we wouldnt see a huge amount of change, if we used nuanced hydrogen-sulfide-specific treatments compared to standard SIBO treatments. So frustratingits been so many years! DrAS: I think its very reasonable. This medication is used to treat occasional upset stomach, heartburn, and nausea. Bismuth subsalicylate may be useful in the prevention of . So what Ive actually seen work, my own self, is nitazoxanide, high-dose oregano. What can patients and clinicians do with the resources available? Lets use the flat line. And I really want to underscore that point. Hydrogen sulfide is a new gas being studied as a cause of SIBO Specific hydrogen sulfide test not available as of August 2019 (in development) Current Method to Detect First, test for SIBO using a breath test Second, verify the test was performed correctly: did you drink the solution, lab prep, etc. So thats always the kind of thing thats going to happen. Unfortunately the Thorne one has a lot of other of their mucilaginous polysaccharide herbs that sometimes can aggravate SIBO. GS: Yes, I absolutely agree with that. Its rare that I see, for a patient whos pretty ill, that just one thing breaks open the entire case. So heres what I gathered. Again, not to bring this back to the same concept over and over again, but Ive been absolutely shocked at these cases that come in and say, Well, Im a chronic case, and theyve seen a few conventional doctors, a few alternative doctors, but oftentimes the approach has had huge gaps. The fact that IBS can produce high levels of hydrogen sulfide in the breath was proven in a study published in the Journal of Breath Research. Dr. Mark Pimentel tells us more about this new test and how it can help to personalize SIBO treatment. One interesting diagnostic approach, aside from a flat line in regular SIBO testing, is Pepto Bismol. They showed improvements both symptomatically and with the lab results. And what wed like to do is level set what we know today. So all those things. And second, become widely available. nausea. There was another work by Lin and Massey showing 48% of people with positive glucose hydrogen breath tests at 90 minutes had a rise after that with glucose. 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